I dunno about anyone else, but this Main Menu of yours and the useage of a Stylesheet which locks the font on your site to a specific size shits me off.
I can't even read what the hell the menu says, I have to look at my browsers status bar to navigate anywhere.
So much for 'customize'able
STAFF > Please consider those that don't use the standard resolution, I my self am at 1920 and am not going down to 800 just to use your website.
Also, the use of a (center) or (div align="center") tag would make things look a lot better at this res, then again, the use of percentages would help too.
At the very least, please unrestrict this font size for I can't read any of it. It's actually pretty rude to restict your browsers (your public) from changing that view their view > text size menu (or holding down control + using the scrollwheel to change font size).
Thanks for reading, hope you can rectify this 'restriction' at 'customize'.org
12:03 am, Wednesday, September 05, 2001 (11 years ago)
1. I doubt the creator of the layout went out of his way to limit the size of the fonts. The fact is style sheet are easier to work with and cut down on development time.
2. Customize Looks fine @ 1280x1024 on my 17 inch monitor. Maybe you should try lowering your resolution. Obviously you are having a hard time reading size 8 fonts.
3. “So much for 'customize'able” – Just because the site has the name customize doesn’t mean it in it’s self has to be customizable. That’s not to say it isn’t though. I’m not sure if you’ve found the layout section () yet but customize will be fully customizable in the near future.
4. Please remember that customize has just been reprogrammed from the ground up. A lot of work still needs to be done on the site.
David Serrano :: Kulao Corporation :: Public Relations ::
1. Didn't go out of his way to limit maybe not, but didn't go out of his way to think about others either.
2. And no, I'm not going to lower my resolution for a damn website. If the website can't accommedate ppl, then it obviously doesn't want me here.
3. Yes it does. Otherwise it would have been called restrictive-slightly-customize.org Yes I have found the lay out section. Refer to the image link above.
4. Please remember that I have just arrived here and I'm a user. I'm a user who wishes to use the site, but if the site is unuseable because of restrictions, I'll go else where. So the site's just been reprogrammed from the ground up and no thought was gone into those with higher resolutions... and yes, a lot of work obviously still needs to be done on the site.
I thought that my comment would have been brushed off... :rolleyes:
Sheesh, if you're complaining aobut text being small at that res, drop the res, or get a fucking magnifying glass : P
its called customize.org because it lets you customize your desktop, not because you can customize the site. Futhermore, custo is still a product in development, while it is functional at this point, we are not finished with the features that we would like customize.org to have.
If you really want to get uppity about it, people using your resolution is such a small portion of our demographic that we could tell you to just screw off, but, yes we will both look into this and probably do something about it.
but for future reference, a slightly less... heavy handed suggestion might be more friendly.
from reading marc's first post i pictured a tortured soul first seeing the site and going into a blind frenzy, knocking papers off his desk and screaming bloody murder, then blindly typing out his hatred for all things unreadable through bloodshot, teary eyes. heh. funny thought.
of course, that is the best way to get people to pay attention to you.
Not rude towards you. It's stating a fact. A fact of how websites that use specific sizes shits me off.
2. " a specific size shits me off."
"And no, I'm not going to lower my resolution for a damn website."
Again, why should I the user be forced to lower the resolution to accomedate a site?
Besides, I said 'INITIAL' post, that was a reply to a post.
3. Again, a reply to a post, not the Initial post.
Sarcasm... oh joy.
"Obviously if i didn't care about your opinions i wouldn't be replying. As you can see i too thanked you for your time in expressing your opinion of the site."
If you did, you probably would have replied with more tact.
"Not that it particularly matters. but SOOPRcow is also part of the custo crew."
No it doesn't matter because I never questioned if SOOPRcow was or not.
Door industrieS: I'm not going to start a flame war. I came, I told my problem with this site, I thanked you for reading. End of story. Was told to "get a fucking magnifying glass" so there you have.
I'm not an bad person or a rude one, as most ppl on the Trillian site will know, I help out as much as I can, but I ain't going to stay here now after being spoken to like that, specially after my first post.
Okay, i really don't know why i'm bothering to deal with your troll like behavior, but let me point ou the inconsistancies in our dialouge so far then.
If you'll notice that you thanked us for reading in the SECOND post, not the first, so your point is invalid if i discount the second post. Hence why i was including your second post as a demonstration of your caustic diction.
As for my choice of language, i will apologize, i should watch my tongue.
However you should also remember that this is your first time speaking to us, and more curtious speech would be appreciated, but obviously can't be enforced, nor would we want to.
"Again, why should I the user be forced to lower the resolution to accomedate a site?"
Well again my question is why should we have to be subjected to your abuse?
Granted, its a valid point, we will look into it, but i hardly think that the manner in which you have presented your points is amicable, or even polite.
To be honest man it's damn difficult to design for any resolution above 1600 x 1200. You're almost always going to run into things being to small for people to see properly. It's like trying to design for 640 x 480 these days, nearly impossible.
I understand it's a style sheet that could be changed but since the site isn't a variable width if the fonts were any larger you'd see like the first 3 letters of an app name only. You may not care but you've gotta understand that a lot of people (including myself) want their site to look a certain way.
Either way I think a simple "hey, this is an issue I have and I was wondering if you guys might do something about it" would have yielded a better response here. No need to tell people how pissed it makes you and how you'll be damned if you're gonna change anything to make life a bit easier. Makes yah come off as a pompous asshole even when that's not your intention. =)
I can't believe I logged back in to point out that at the top of this thread, the first post in it, I stated:
"Thanks for reading, hope you can rectify this 'restriction' at 'customize'.org"
Which just devalues what you said about my point being invalid... but let's just skip that...
I try and watch my tongue when it's being directed at a 'person', at an object, thing, or site is another matter.
Yes I know it's my first time, and I tried (successfully I thought) to not direct abuse at you personally.
Abuse? I am abusive to you? I didn't think so at all... but if I am, which I don't think I was, I am sorry, however, the point still is valid. Why should those who come to your site be restricted by what a style sheet says. I thank you for saying you 'will' look into it.
The manner in which I presented my points...
Hmm... let's break that down then shall we ?
"I dunno about anyone else, but this Main Menu of yours and the useage of a Stylesheet which locks the font on your site to a specific size shits me off." Well, nothing wrong with this statement. It states that you are using a stylesheet to lock your site's font in that menu to a specific size. It states that it shits me off. Not that you shit me off, nor does it state that any admin of the site shit me off. It says quite clearly, that the font size being locked shits me off.
"I can't even read what the hell the menu says, I have to look at my browsers status bar to navigate anywhere." Hmm... again, nothing wrong with this statement. States that I can't read what the hell the menu says without looking at my browsers status bar. Once more, not saying anything about you personally.
"So much for 'customize'able" I suppose this could be taken out of context, but really, it's exactly what it says. A pun. Using the sites main name to state that something is not customizeable. Yet again, not an attach on you personally.
"STAFF Please consider those that don't use the standard resolution, I my self am at 1920 and am not going down to 800 just to use your website." Hmm... pretty straight forward I thought. Not rude at all. It asks you to please consider, notice the word, 'please', consider those that don't use standard resolution. It then goes on to tell you that I'm up at hi res and I'm not going down just to use your website. Once again, no personal attack has been made.
"Also, the use of a (center) or (div align="center") tag would make things look a lot better at this res, then again, the use of percentages would help too." I even make some suggestions as to other things that could be done to make it look better at higher resolutions.
"At the very least, please unrestrict this font size for I can't read any of it. It's actually pretty rude to restict your browsers (your public) from changing that view their view text size menu (or holding down control + using the scrollwheel to change font size)." I finish up by saying that at the very least (as in, if you don't like any of my other suggestions), can you just unrestirct the font size on that menu since I can't read it. I continue on to tell you that it's pretty rude to restrict your viewers browsers in this way. I didn't say that YOU were rude, I said that IT is rude.
"Thanks for reading, hope you can rectify this 'restriction' at 'customize'.org" I end by thanking you, and letting you know that I hope that you can fix up this restriction problem at customize.org, placing quotes around it to emphasize it.
I don't see the manner in which I presented my point in as being rude or impolite.
But, I do apologize if it has come across that way, yet I still can't navigate the site until some sort of change is done, and thus, I'll wait before I upload anything.
It's not difficult to design. Things can be percentages of the browser width. I do it when I design things for ppl. Table A = 30% etc... Pictures can stretch too. Design it to look good at your own res that you wish to present it, and if it stretches at higher resolutions to an uglier look, well, so be it, as long as it's readable. :)
Again, I don't see why me telling you that it shits me off is a personal attack. I would expect a decent response in any case, so long as I didn't say, 'you admins who designed your site are wankers for...' which I did not say.
I have changed things to make my life easier, I use the windows settings to change my resolution, icon size, font size, and colour scheme, thus, my browsing experience is much easier. Why would I want to go back to 800x600 to make my life more difficult?
In any case, I still don't think I posted anything to warrant a response I initially got, nor do I think I posted anything to come across as a pompous asshole, but if that's how ppl took me, then I'm sorry for you taking it like it was not intended. :)
now, i'll do this to anyone. i dont have anything against you, marc. at all - i hate to see the site lose anyone who's got something good to contribute, artistically or otherwise. but the thing is, and i'm telling you this from a 'third person perspective,' you were harsh with what you said. i know when three or four people seem to gang up on you, its hard not to defend yourself. i've been guilty of the same thing to a much steeper degree. but saying things like "this main menu of yours and locking the text size really shits me off" can hardly be interpreted in any way but with anger and impatience. as for things like "i'm at this rez and i'm not going down to this rez just for your site" creates the feeling that youre giving an ultimatum, and of being talked down to.
also, most of this wouldnt have been met with such adversity if it werent for the fact that these people are _extremely_ passionate about this site, and for most of the regulars, pod, soop & myself included, an attack on the site is an attack on us. not to say you were attacking, but the use of harsh language like 'shitting me off' will strike a nerve - whether or not you intended to attack anyone in particular, it was felt that way. and the same goes with the rudeness - whether 'IT' was rude or 'HE' was rude, it is still felt the same way.
its purely a miscommunication, which will undoubtedly happen again and again on these boards, but i'm sure no ill will is genuinely felt by anyone. like i said, it would be a shame to lose anyone with something worthwhile to contribute.
also, i did my best not to sound insulting or patronizing, and if either of those feelings were felt it was by no means my intention.
Not at all, but I still don't think "this main menu of yours and locking the text size really shits me off" can be taken as anything more than what it says.
Shits 'me' off.
Well I suppose it could be taken as an ultimatum, but it's exactly how it is. I'm not going down resolutions just to visit one website (if you can understand that), and if it wasn't going to be addresses, well, there's no way I would return. No offence to the ppl, but why would you return to one web site that was difficult to view when you've got hundreds of others that aren't?
In any case, everythings kewl fine and dandy, I just won't upload anything yet, not that I have anything ready for uploading, they're still being tweaked etc. So I'll check back when I've got stuff ready :)
I will say one good thing about this site that I have noticed, (imagine that, I noticed something great in amoungst all the kill the new person posts (said light heartedly)), the site is extremely fast. :)
1930??? You're kidding! And I thought 1280 was way too small. But surely this can't be the only site where you can't read poop? A whole lotta site use font 8 size. Hehehe! Your resolution is so uncommon I think the site could have a resolution detection script and use it to greet you personnaly! LOL! Wow... I'm amazed...
OK I think everyone has made nice. So can we please leave it at that. After all all communities have their fights. But its just plain destructive to try and restart an argument once its been settled and those involved are ok with each other.
No need to "kill the newbie" because he came off rude. If we killed all the newbies the community wouldnt grow:)
All and all I think both parties handled this well. Im glad to see that things could work out so quickly.
(DM): On the hill ahead you see a gazebo (Player): Is it moving? (DM): No. (Player): How big is it? (DM): About 20 feet tall. (Player): I draw my sword and kill the evil gazebo!
IM me... my sn is matrix9180.... I'll send u a template file.... make your own theme, and use it.... but don't bitch about people bitching 'cause u use a 72pt font size 'cause ur res is so damned high....
Crap, the fight is over before I could stir up the flames. Hmm, what's left to say... Ah yes, when I change my font size to 150%, everything goes to 150%, including the menu. So it's probably just IE not doing what it should, Marc. By the way, I can imagine you have this problem on more sites, right?
Paxx: not 1930, but close. Not Kidding. There are others, but the amount of sites that I come accross which do this are a minority, 99% of my browsing is fantastic, which is why I brought it up. Har.. Har..
Indorock: No I'm not. Not it's not. Not, 1600 on a 21 is too low a res for me. Notice I said FOR ME, not you, ME. This has nothing to with Elitetism, it has to do with my eyes and which resolution is clear for them, and what doesn't hurt my eyes is good right? I do have a dual monitor set up with dual desktop.
Darius: Thank you. I still don't think I came of rude, but alas, as I've said earilier, I am sorry if I did. Thanks again. :)
Matrix9180: I would IM you if I could find the IM you link. You can send it to if that's ok? thank :) And I didn't bitch ABOUT people because I was using 72pt size, and my resolution is good on MY screen.
Craeonics: That's the point isn't it. I have my font size changed to 133% and everything BUT the menu goes 133%. If the blooming menu went larger I wouldn't have made this initial thread. Marcdaniel not Marc
As I've mentioned previously, 99% of my browsing is fantastic, it's only the one or two sites which aren't because of the locking of the fonts via a style sheet. Normally, I just don't visit them again. But I actually felt that this site was worth starting this thread... I hope I wan't wrong... but just wanting to stir up the flames isn't a great thing for the community is it?
Finally, I've already sorted this out with Pod, why are ppl trying to ruffle my feathers again?
PS: Sorry, seems like the tag killed the rest of the message and the one above. Didn't realise it did that. (Note: wasn't done on purpose)