This is an announcement to those who don't allready know. Microsoft are cheats. Their company takes part in the most dirty play possible, and only get away with it because the legal system isn't fair; it's fucked.
Microsoft have done & will do anything and everything to bring down compeditors; they have been known to change code purely to stuff up compeditor programs, and much much more that I can no longer remember off the top of my head.
Here it comes, Linux, yeah I know you all know or have heard 'Linux' before. how about this: Microsoft are charging more and more for licences to use their software, and their licence management is becoming impossible for anyone without a rocket science degree to comprehend. There are a few key factors keeping Micro$hit in our homes (btw, we are trusting our sensitive data to M$, and it's showing they they can not be trusted) those key factors are: GAMES, OFFICE, And certain Hardware.
Linux is getting more and more game releases, and as it becomes more common, it will take over windows as the games ruler. It is cheaper, and faster.
Linux has NOW software that will run many M$ apps on linux, including but not limited to M$ office 2000. and when linux apps get up with the times they will leave Micro$hit high and dry.
Linux is becoming VERY user friendly for newbies, so fear not, give it a try, it is free, meaning you now have around $250 - $500 to spend on tech support before M$ becomes a cheaper option.
Recap: M$ are cheating bastards, I"m not just saying this, the things their company has done in it's time will shock you, do some homework and find out why you should boycot Microsoft.
07:47 am, Wednesday, October 23, 2002 (7 years ago)
haha, look, one person has failed my challenge, will you give in to being an idiot? (hey it's only natural) or will you actually contribute with anything of any use? :P
He! I made a sensible comment, just look at your posts! You already started flaming windows users (a little bit..). And I agree with gear, windows does everything i want.
About the monopoly part (im sure that comes up, so im allready posting on it :-): Look at it from the programmers side, what if there where like 15 os's that all had a very small part of the market (like 5-10%), it would be very hard to make an application that worked with every os -> means less app's for every os. Its a good thing (when you look at programs etc) that MS has such a huge part of the market.
btw, i see that you also use windows :-)
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and another fails to meet my challenge of making an intelligent comment! gear, ok, that's a valid comment, but I'm talking about offices, gamers, and basically anyone who is getting sick of paying for a cheating corporation that doesn't follow it's own rules for it's users.
Maybe the coarts should make microsoft abide by their own licences to see how they like being fucked around.
Hehe, yeah, I'm using windows XP, and with any luck it will be the last version of windows I ever use. They force me to use Internet Explorer, or at least have it installed, but I'm using Netscape 7 and it's brilliant, it's on linux, it's free.
and also, many programs are being programmed for linux, because the reality is that it is becoming a true contender for windows, it is being packaged professionally mainly by Redhad and Mandrake to name a few, and comes with every application you would need, eg: open office for spread sheets, word processor, slide shows. it comes with more grahics programs than you can poke a stick at, and that goes for games too, so I say to you windows users who are 'happy as I can do what I want' well you are paying for that, you could get it for free, and have much more to choose from. GET it yet?
UDHA, who says we're paying for microsoft stuff? I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the visitors of this site either had windows come with their computer or got it from someone else. As for your windows flames, it's been done 1000000 times, and yours is no different. you bring up the same exact arguments that everybody else has gone over. I'm running XP right now, and it does everything i need, and well (games, web design, renders). Maybe down the road in 5 years, linux WILL be a contender and have a significant part of the market share, but right now I don't have a reason to switch.
btw, you actually paid for your vers. of windows? no wonder you're pissed :)
.: Customizing your OS is a big dill. It's a really big dill. You should relish it. :.
Sovereignty, you did pay for your computer I hope, if you did you also paid for windows ;-)
But whats wrong with paying for stuff? I agree windows isn't cheap, but look at the amount of time you use it! And you dont have to use the latest version. UDHA, linux is a not a real contender for most users. My dad uses win95 and office97 at his office (and he's not an exception!), no problems with licenses at all and it does everything he wants.
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thanks for your opinion, still not going to convince me to change. i love how windows runs right now, its VERY stable... it fits my needs better then linux would
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I echo phyre arms's comments.. Why should i change my OS when everything is stable as i want it.. i don't have any problems , it's not that i trust microsoft or anything but still .. XP runs like a baby on my machine and it meets my needs no need for more no need for less.. And i feel so low now that i FAILED your challenge boohoo
FreeBSD does everything I want. But I also like Windows. (As far as I'm concerned the only good version of Windows is Windows 2000 Professional, that's just my opinion), currently with my real modem busted I'm stuck using windows. The only real let down with windows is its susch a resource and memory hog.
I'll agree though M$ has too much power, money, and monopoly.
But then again, one serious gripe I have wtih UNIX/Linux has always been the incompatability with sonft modems (i.e. Win-Modems), no one likes messing around looking for chipset ID's, and mucking about with drivers that hardly ever work from www.linmodems.com
I personaly prefer UNIX to Windows, but I like flexability. Who knows someday I might just fork over $8000.00 for a kick ass Mac, and have it all. Until then I'm a multi OS kinda guy. (Windows98 se, Windows 2000 Pro, Mandrake-Linux, FreeBSD, and BeOS)
it wasnt a fucking sensible post - he just wanted to look smart oooo "including but not limited to...." pff. dude, i like windows, it works, its good, and it cost me nothing. go play your linux.
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There's no reason to jump out and attack microsoft. I'm a long time user of linux, and I'll admit, I used to be one of those evangelical types who would shit on MS at any chance that I got.
Fact is: Microsoft puts out a fairly quality operating system that appeals to the masses.
Note what I've said here: "appeals to the masses." That's something that Linux simply has yet to do. We're getting very close now, and I think with some real work and a real push over the next year, we'll finally arrive.
Until then, most people don't care about licensing issues or Microsoft's totalitarianism. They most likely got their copy of Windows with their computer when they bought it and (assume) that they didn't have to pay for it. They couldn't be more wrong, but am I going to run out there and try to convince everyone of that? Nah, it's not really worth it. Why? Because windows just works for them. They know how to use it, and that's what they know. People don't resist new technology...if they did, they wouldn't have computers hooked up to the internet. They resist change.
It's the same reason that e-commerce has failed to be a really viable business option. One day, e-commerce will probably the the mainstay of the economy but for now, people are still drawn to the store rather than sitting at home and ordering online. People resist change.
For now, the most important thing for people to do is use what works for them. The Linux desktop focus should remain in business. More people will be inclined to use it at home after they were forced to use it at work (why do you think the mac with it's sleek GUI failed when the IBM PC with crappy-ass DOS became the giant of the PC?)
windows isn't really that bad. Windows 2000 has terriffic stability. And when comes to customizing - it really does have most of the options. Although i see that linux really has options as well. Point is, when it comes to macs, linux, windows - it's what you want... And UDHA, you really haven't said anything i haven't heard before... every OS has it's problems( i could name a few of apples) - it's just M$ is the giant - and therefore the most picked on.
In my experience, most Linux threads start with someone saying, "Everyone switch to Linux!", someone actually takes interest and asks a few questions, then getting flamed by other Linux users because they 'obviously don't know enough about Linux to use it'.
The Linux community wants their OS to be dominant, but at the same time they expect everybody coming in to the Linux fold to be completely proficient in the OS from the word go.
I'm a reasonably veteran computer user. I've been mucking around on these things since I was five and an 80286 with a meg of RAM was a high end system. I'm not afraid of the windows registry, swapping out shells (yay for litestep back before the installers), or messing with system files. I've been in and out of my old PCs plenty of times, swapping hard drives, installing new cards and drives, even swapping processors a few times. By most standards, I'm a pretty advanced user.
Yet by Linux standards, I'm 'not ready for a real OS'.
so you hate microsoft, so what? complaining about it and berating it isn't gonna make things any better. change cannot be instantaneous, nor can your post change peoples minds on a massive scale. until people are forced to learn a new os, or are frustrated enough with their current one to change to another, nothing is gonna be different. yes, i am a windows user. i like windows. i like it 'cause i know how to use it. i'm not satisfied with it entirely, but i'm not satisfied with most other operating systems. if you want results, don't flame microsoft. educate people about the advantages of your preffered os. the more people know about it, the more they'll be willing to change.
i agree with status. I may be a "noob", but i know enough to get my a+ certification. I think linux is great. I think windows is great. The only reasons i use windows is because A) there's more hardware support for windows B) my mom is not too bright with technology (and we only have one computer) C) linux is only great if you can code and use the open source os to its full potential. Also, everyone knows that XP is based off the NT kernel and essentially windows 2k. I love 2k. But I use xp because it improves upon everything that was excellent in 2k. And from what I've seen at http://www.winbeta.org/ , Longhorn is going to be pretty damn slick. I realize that MS charges a hell of a lot for their software. I can't do anything about it. And since the average user doesn't care and buys it at retail, MS won't lower their prices. But there are many dedicated people that make high-end software available to the average user (i.e., free). Now I will probably pay for Windows when I have the money, but that's different. Also, Windows is everywhere. Henceforth, you don't have to spend money on tech support. There are millions of places on the web that the community will help you out (like here). Now on to Linux. Like I said, I love linux. It has incredible potential. But, you have to have a basic understanding of what goes on behind your desktop to know how great linux is. I tried linux, and dropped it because I knew i wouldn't get proficient in it. And linux isn't necesarrily free also, if you want physical documentation for a certain distro, it can cost as much as Windows. But since linux is open source, the community will always make their own fixes. The only reason windows has so many security bugs is because people push windows farther than normal users would. They put it under criticism because it is the most used os. So they want it safe. Linux is secure, but when it becomes mainstream (when, not if), it will most likely have patches come out just as much because of the amount of usage. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that the windows-linux relationship is like the windows-mac relationship. Each side thnks the other is shit and theirs rules. But if you set each os up right, they can function very similarly and function to whatever you want it. But no one os is far "superior" to another. And besides, Windows server editions (i realize most people don't use these for their main os), but those are hella secure. There are reasons why Windows has the majority of the market. So don't bash Windows, don't bash microsoft. Yes, their os is a little expensive, and most of their software, but think of what you pay for. Free updates, the people that coded it. Your money obviously goes somewhere, not just to Bill Gates' pocket. Windows has been improving, just like any other os. That's where your money goes. And if you play it right, licenses aren't a problem. So there.
dude everyone in my family uses macs we probably own like 200 (with my dad's reaserch lab heh) mac's uses the unix base now and they are so very stable. mac has loads of good apps. the games are lacking ill admit that but since its esier to port games port faster. i just don't understand that hatered for apple computers. and its NOT M$.
i didn't even know i got a dam disease but i really wanna kill me!
all i can say is this- i work with ppl trying to help them understand how to use their own PCs. it's VERY frustrating. everyone here has a pretty tight grasp of what they're capable of doing on their systems. i also run Linux at work, i'm one of 2 ppl out of approximately 80 users who do. and i can tell you this- there is NO WAY any of them would be able to operate Linux.
i hear that MS might not be able to bundle their software any more. i pray that day never arrives. it will be my living nightmare. for instance, every one at work can call up their browser, but they'd have NO IDEA what to do if it wasn't already installed. they don't even KNOW there's choices out there.
Windoze is easy. linux is sweet for an advanced user, as it stands now. the only thing i can say is i'll just wait and see just how easy it gets.
I HATE windows xp. Everyone is saying it is so stable and what not. But not for I, some times it boots up and the CPU usages is at about 70% for no reason (i have all apps that are not needed turned off. So why is it at 70%? I looked for spyware, none. And sometimes it does this for a few minuts, and stopes. and some times it just stayed at 0-4% from boot-up. I only use windows for gaming. I am very good w/ windows, used it since win95. I know what I am doing. But not in Linux. I just need some things to do on it, but I dont know how to set up my cable modem on it, b/ my ISP just so happend not to tell me what the info is that I need to connect to it. I hate M$ for what their buisness practices are, I know what they are going to do in the next OS, Palladium. That will really creat a large monopoly, far more than what it is already. I mean, M$ has to OK soft ware for it to even run on your computer, no more freeware and such, b/ you have to pay M$ for the certification. Im not a fan of the OS they put out. Luckyily i dont pay of the OS I am running, or the PC that it is running on! I still feel riped-off.
Ok now i've just spent the past 15mins reading the whole thread thinking i may get a new view on the OS battle. Well i guess i should have known better. I'm a sys admin at a small pharmacy nearby (http://www.itcpharmacy.com) and throughout all the PC's there (There are 11) we use Win 95, 98, 2000, NT server, 2000 server, Win .NET server, Win XP, Linux 7.3, linux 8.0. It's quite a spread and all the spread is for one reason or another. Example: 95 is used because of an old dos program used to keep track of formulas. Linux is used as a webserver and i am testing it and .NET to repace the 2000 server. I'm also doing alot of other web work for people (http://www.milehighalpacas.com). The two people i work with most often barely know how to get online, much less install their own OS or even know what an OS is. Microsoft is big because it comes loaded most of the time. If they stopped preloading windows and loaded something else or nothing at all then either companies will pop up to load an os or make thier own and load it. With all the OS's then new software would most likely end up propriatary. So you can't just 'boycot' Microsoft! you have to slowly change to a new OS. I don't think Microsoft will ever go away, there is too much money there. So all of you will just have to quit your bichin' and deal with it. New OS's will always be here, and at least one company will be the giant. thats just how it works!!!
Also Max where in the hell are the MS certs geting cash!!! it costs thousands to get certified, you don't get paid just to get certified!!
hahaha, but yeah..and shi - you need to get some systemworks and bust a cap in that 70%....it's probably just some virus or something (it happend to me, and that's what it was - actually just an exe file that installed itself and ran everytime, and was built to just take up resources)
I usually make it a point not to look at anti MS threads created by flaming 12 year old kids but for some reason i got sucked in.
Cyberman81 made some great points there.
The fact of the matter is MS is really starting to put out some quality products. Office XP is great even though a tad pricey, Windows XP pro i'm very pleased with, Windows media player 9 series is shaping up to be a great player, and some of the new audio and video codecs they are developing are simply amazing. This company is finally getting their act together and making some great stuff.
Boycotting MS won't help you. If you plan to hold a job in the future you're going to run into something microsoft...just deal with it and don't bitch about it.
"where in the hell are the MS certs geting cash!!! it costs thousands to get certified, you don't get paid just to get certified!!"
MS certifications are required for most IT job positions dealing with support or networking, and no shit you dont get paid just to get certified.. you get paid being certified..
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience
hmm crazy. since were on monoplies, I have a real problem with chickens. I really think this kind of meat has an overwhelming monoply on the american poultry market--- actually the whole food market in general. --Just look at the evidence, every meat tries to imitate chicken. Ask someone and what do they say? "ah tastes like chicken" Sure, beef has its fair share, but it's incredibly overpriced.. and It makes you fat! and Turkey.. HAHA who eats turkey??!! If we would all eat more fish we'd all be heathy! and fish are free! just go out and get them out of some lake-- and they are high in protien and low in closterol. but fine, just keep eating your darn CHICKEN QUESADILLIAS! will you people ever learn??
i dont really like how ms does business, but im happy with windows. it has its bugs n such but it works pretty darn good most of the time. as for linux taking over, thats gonna take some time. at current most people simply dont wanna spend the time to learn how to use it. most people who have or use a pc know windows, but few know linux,if they even knoow what it is. as Cyberman81 said, windows comes on most computers. alot of people simpy are gonna leave it that way.
you guys gotta be kidding me.. you need to move down here in fl then because sys/admins make good money here. whats the cost of living like like up north for you guys?
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience
Wow, thanks to everybody for contributing to my post, exept for Redux, fuck off.
Few things staight:
I love Macs, they are sleek, stylish, they have cool programs like Photoshop, and as far as I know they don't have a history of dirty business (but I don't know that for sure) but one thing bugs me with them, I can't use thier OS on any system but their overpriced hardware. that simple
I use windows xp, and I love it.
Interesting chicken facts there, but what about lamb? that stuff is bueat!
The 'Fritz' chip is going to make using your computer very difficult, I'm not just talking about pirates either.
eg. with the fritz chip you will make a document at your office, and when you take it home to work on it, it wont open because you office wants to protect that data, there are many more disadvantages to it also, aswell as the good features, but many don't feel they are worth the hassle.
thanks again to everybody, so it seems apparent that you fear change (no critisism, took me 4 years to get ussed to linux :P) and wish to stay with M$ (your future is in trouble) so I'm going to post a link with more info on that company's lovely business history.
Alls I gotta say is unless you're a professional or m4d gamer, there's no reason not to switch. And even if you ARE a professional or m4d gamer, switching will only make the companies make YOU comfy. They are nothing without paying customers. Oh, what's that? You don't pay for your software that you need Windows for? Oh, well then, I guess I just wasted my energy.
Fuck 'em, and their law! I made a god out of blood / Not superiority
Am I Blue? On November 18, 1998 the digital greeting card company Blue Mountain Arts discovered that beta versions of Microsoft's Outlook Express (which comes free with Internet Explorer) were automatically filing Blue Mountain's e-mail greeting cards into the "junk" folder rather than the "inbox." Shortly afterwards, Blue Mountain Arts discovered that Microsoft's WebTV service was blocking their e-mail greeting cards as well.
Why would Microsoft want to prevent electronic greeting cards from being delivered? It turns out that after an unsuccessful attempt to purchase Blue Mountain Arts, Microsoft started its own electronic greeting card service. The "bug" in Outlook Express appeared at about the same time that Microsoft's greeting card service began.
Microsoft's stealth war against Linux and Samba opened with the release of Service Pack 3 for Windows NT 4. With this release, Microsoft implemented a subtle change to NT's communications protocols, making it incompatible with Samba. An adjustment to the Windows NT registry can reverse the incompatibility, but at the same time Microsoft eliminated the instructions for this fix from their website. In fact, they went several steps further -- by erasing from the website every reference to Samba and a previously posted technical article.
1. UDHA says "I love Macs, they are sleek, stylish, they have cool programs like Photoshop". That is the a horrible example. Yes, macs are sleek and sylish. BUt Windows also has photoshop. and maya. and 3ds max.and lightwave.and the Gimp (surprising?). and fireworks. the list goes on. use better examples.
2. UDHA aslo says "OUtlook...[was] automatically filing Blue Mountain's e-mail greeting cards into the "junk" folder". Hotmail, Microsoft's free web-based e-mail service, files anything from a company that mass emails (aka spam, but in this case not bad spam), and anything that the user has not selected as "safe." I myself have it set up so everything goes the junk mail folder, then i filter through and add emails as safe or not. For most people this is good. And yahoo does the same thing as well. I have gotten greeting cards into my junk folder. it happens. Most people like that feature. Most people learn that some things go to junk mail, and learn that that needs to be sifted through every once in a while.
3. On MS and Linux/samba, from what I've heard, the open-source community that uses samba is rather fast reacting to these things, and provides help to solve problems. Also, samba is a program (essentially). What do you do if you have problems with photoshop? You call adobe. What do you do if you have problems with samba, call the distro, go online, whatever. MS isn't responsible for not posting solutions to problems that relate to other company's software. Also, I am quite sure that the latest version of samba is quite compatible with Windows.
UDHA, you are contradicting yourself, and as it should be apparent by now, most people here like what MS is starting to do and what is starting to come out of Redmond. So quite flaming. Quit bitching. You try writing an os like windows and making it perfect. Not gonna happen. And you said you love Windows XP. So why bother writing? Nobody cares.
and besides, yes microsoft does bad things, but Bill Gates made a $12 billion donation to a charity or something (it was for a pretty good cause, it doesn't really matter - might have been schools). MS has given out billions of dollars in donations to charities etc. Yes, they may be greedy. But they also give it back.
dextro's right - microsoft does give out lots of money. bill gates and paul allen also do. they've donated TONS of money to my university....in fact, we're getting a new computer sciences building mainly due to microsoft. here in the seattle area, even though we know of all of the bad things that microsoft has done, we're still grateful because they DO give back to the community.
and i have a question for you udha - why are you even berating microsoft if you love xp so much?
yeah, good point, microsoft gives out money, Dextro, (like robbin hood, rob from the rich, give to the poor) I was contradicting myself because I do use ms, but I'm becoming aware of their future plans, and they don't look that good.
Look, all I'm trying to do is give an opinion from both sides, I'm sort of disapointed that 'windows' users seem to take sides, for fucks sake, broaden your horizons, it's called knoledge. just be informed.
only reason you are pissed off is because MS is pulling xbox from the australian market because the aussie govt. wont make it illegal for the mod chip makers to sell the device in australia..
Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience
max- i don't make bad money, but i've only been in the industry for a year and a half. so i need mucho experience before i get the big bucks. but i have so many other duties not IT related at all. i make 20.50 an hour, but that's Canadian. the cost of living here isn't high. but the gov'ment sure likes to take a big bite outta it every thursday. the fuckers.
what makes you all that sure that we're not informed? more than one person here has said that they are aware of what microsoft is doing (good AND bad) and they deal with it just fine. you need to chill dude.
there was an article on Palladium on slashdot a while back if I remember correctly. There was also a thread about this on the deviantARt messageboard..
I saved a part of that thread to my hard drive, don't know who wrote it so I'm reposting without his consent:
"Firstly: Microsoft plans to implement Palladium DRM (digital rights management) in a hardware chip, initially implanted on the mobo, but later on embedded in the CPU, and employing hardwired encryption throughout. The purpose of this is to flag every file on the computer with a digital signature telling a remote server what it is. If it's an unauthorised file, the remote server will tell your computer not to let you execute it.
This is basically an attempt to stop the trading of mp3's and/or warez.
Secondly: Before an application can run, it too must have a digital signature remotely verified by another server. If the program binary doesn't match with any of the authenticated binaries, your computer won't run it. This, again, is meant to stop your computer running "unauthorised" software - which might be warez, or it might just be a nifty freewrae program that the authors acn't afford to have certified. Microsoft will be able to control exactly what your computer can and can't run."
hmm....Still havn't found anythign better to do yet? why do threads like these thrive? Palladium was a hoax. A VERY LAME HOAX!!! How can anyone belive it? Are you all super-guled to you computer chair and stuck to you keyboard? FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO BITCH ABOUT!!!!!
Max- I'm a uncertified sys-admin and i make $15 and hour. If I got certified guess what i'd make? hmm... $15 an hour!!! It's not worth it here. Also my boss works in fl and has no microsoft certs!!! He's makin' bank!!!!! So i still don't understand where the hell the MS cert money is coming from.
Also SAMBA has had no problems for me running w/ NT, in fact I like SAMBA better that an MS Fileserver!!!
