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xcal_banned says:

Here's what resulted in my ban. Form your own opinions. Mind you, this probably won't last very long, so make a copy for your friends. =)

-xcal

--------------------Message From Max


No Subject From: Max
Received: 12/08/2005 at 6:59 am EST
Subject: No Subject
Explain this please, I left your comment on my submission long ago because I assumed that it was not a personal thing but after seeing the comment and score left on Lock.solid I decided to you ask you to explain yourself.

If it is not satisfactory I will remove your comment from my work due to hypocritical remarks and it being considered a personal retaliatory attack. Both are basically the same color wise.

Lock.Solid


xcal: [99] It's still an awesome piece of work. Seems more buggy this time around (or I didn't notice them last time). Some unnecessary !recycle-ing, too. The desktop icons are a great idea, and I love how they're implimented (the double click on them is really sweet). Kill the bugs and I'll give you that last 1%. :D

Rogue


xcal: [65] The too-slight contrast makes it very difficult to use this style. I find it hard to discern between elements in certain applications, and could never use this as a regular style

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--------------------My Response


Dear God...do you have the slightest clue how stupid that sounds? No, I'm not saying you're stupid, because I don't think you are. But I am saying what you just sent me in this PM is stupid.

You're comparing a Litestep theme to a VS?

I don't know how you're going to get this through your head, because you didn't manage to do it before at deviantart.

Before I go any further, for you to say "both are basically the same color wise" just shows you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Lock.Solid features MANY different schemes. You're obviously just looking at the screenshot and making that conclusion, that they are basically the same color-wise, because you clearly have not TRIED the theme. Fractal's Logic.Solid can be changed right out of the box, and looks nothing like your VS.

Another thing which makes comparing the two absolutely absurd is that Litestep does not skin your windows! VS' do (its purpose). The reason I made the "too-slight contrast" statement on your VS is because when I tried it, with certain applications, I couldn't tell where one window's element stopped, and another element began. The lack of contrast made things difficult to do in that app (I forget which app it was, since it's been a while...).
Now, the thing you don't seem to get. Litestep is so much more than just graphics. It has to be, because IT'S NOT A WINDOWS SKINNING APPLICATION. A complex theme, like Lock.Solid, requires tons of behind-the-scenes scripting. And no, I'm not talking about generic definitions pulled out of a readme or some copied *.rc file from another theme. That theme required real thought and actual coding, which brings me to the next point... There's something special/different about that theme, which you won't see on the surface. It is using the LUA programming language as its scripting language (something I know how to do myself now, so I can appreciate it). Guess how many theme's released by other author's here at custo do that? NONE. There's not a single other LUA theme released here [edit - I meant released by another author]. Fractal's theme also separates itself from other themes (even my own) by the insane amount of options in it. Again, you'd have to try it to realise that. Also, there are tons of little niceties that you won't get by looking at the screenshot. For example, when you double click a desktop icon (which are customizable) there's a really cool scaling and fading effect of the icon.

Anyway, I couldn't care less if you remove my comment from your VS. But I certainly stand by it.

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Then I was immediately banned.

06:49 pm, Thursday, December 15, 2005 (11 years ago)
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Hmm. Well, I think you're stupid by making a big scene in the fourms, trying to "embarrass" Max in the Customize fourms. You're silly.

" Everday is a good day Peter, with two scoops of raisins. "

06:55 pm (11 years ago)
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Mister says:

Hmm

06:56 pm (11 years ago)
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synaesthesia says:

I think it's nothing about "embarrassing" Max. Xcal just gave his opinion about two different skins. I don't see the problem here at all. Max compares the two skins, which shouldnt be made at all, since a vs it different from a ls theme.

06:57 pm (11 years ago)
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Static- says:

well either way he doesnt deserve a ban .. he is and will be a mojor part of this community

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06:57 pm (11 years ago)
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Static- says:

Major

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06:57 pm (11 years ago)
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AEQUITASx says:

No way this guy deserves a ban! He was stating his opinion guys. If you submit things here, expect criticism. Unban him please

07:04 pm (11 years ago)
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Static- says:

you cant just ban somone for opinons .. this is why i dont belive active users on this site should be admins as well .. in cases such as this it gives the admin rights to ban for personal reasons.. and i belive that is ridiculous

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07:09 pm (11 years ago)
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Static- says:

damn it .. should not be admins

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07:15 pm (11 years ago)
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synaesthesia says:

quote:
advent: Don't submit anything if you can't take criticism.

07:19 pm (11 years ago)
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popupkilla says:

What's next? Banning someone for an ugly wall? This really is ridiculous. Thanks for your help in the past xcal, and good luck, I hope this doesn't last long.

07:22 pm (11 years ago)
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Matrix says:

here here! I'm all for banning becuase of ugly walls. while we're at it lets ban for crappy winamp skins too!

Stay Frosty!

07:29 pm (11 years ago)
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Mister says:

lol

07:30 pm (11 years ago)
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Benji says:

This is getting out of hand man, custo is becomming like a mini-me version of the government.

"I dont like the fact that he didnt vote for me, Kill Him"

Formerly Known As D4RKfantasy

07:37 pm (11 years ago)
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Benji says:

Un-Ban the kid, he deserves an apology too. People have a right to their opinion.

Formerly Known As D4RKfantasy

07:41 pm (11 years ago)
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popupkilla says:

Straying a little off, but I just gotta know.... Did anyone else get pissed-off PM's regarding this or the last (locked) post?

07:46 pm (11 years ago)
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antimatter says:

I have to admit, I tend to make every attempt to avoid involving myself in the inter-user drama here, but Max, if I may voice my personal opinion, and if you are indeed the admin who banned xcal, you are quite a bit out of line. I would like to think that, as a longtime member of the community who has never been in even the remotest sort of conflict with anybody, I have standing as an unbiased, neutral party in this. If I'm wrong, well, so be it. The fact of the matter is, xcal was not trying to embarass you, trying to undermine you, or even trying to call into question the quality of your work. I think anybody who has ever used your visual styles can attest to the obvious effort you've put into them, and that shows in their popularity. What he did was, in fact, the primary mission of a community such as this: to offer his opinion on a particular piece of work. Just because somebody doesn't like the specific color scheme of a VS does not mean that he is trying to make a complicated statement. He is merely telling you that he, personally, is not a fan of the style you chose (in this case, white), and rated it accordingly. As for his comment on the Litestep theme, it's exactly as he said. He is not, in any way whatsoever, mentioning the colors chosen for the theme (or, in this case, the screenshot of a theme). His rating on fractal's theme was a rating based strictly on the coding and intuitiveness displayed in the construction of the theme. Should he have commented on the construction of your VS rather than focusing strictly on the color scheme? Maybe. But the fact of the matter is, you're looking merely at the numbers associated with the reviews and not looking at the content. As an admin, you are given the ability to regulate the community to ensure that it runs as smoothly as possible. At times, this will indeed require banning a user who causes problems. But a user who is guilty only of being completely honest about his or her tastes in art (or, more accurately, Windows color schemes) should not be banned under any circumstances. In fact, I applaud xcal for saying what a lot of people, including myself, won't. I'm guilty at times of censoring myself for the sake of not causing a scene, not rating a piece lower than my peers have. He has shown a willingness to voice his opinion, regardless of whether or not it's what the submitter wants ot hear. So, long story short: in my personal opinion, this is not only a gross misuse of your powers, but also a travesty that could potentially be devastating to the community. I certainly hope you will rethink this decision. I urge you, Max, or anybody else who may disagree with something I've said here to PM me or message me on AIM, I'd be glad to talk about it further.

07:48 pm (11 years ago)
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Benji says:

Amen to That, Damn that was good.

Formerly Known As D4RKfantasy

07:52 pm (11 years ago)
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capitalizex says:

^ amen. Max you take things too personally.

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07:52 pm (11 years ago)
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This has been happening for the last two years with any member that has crossed swords with Max. The dude has ruined this community. I know thats a bold thing to say, but I think anyone who was around during the golden years can agree. Whatever happened to evo? Whatever happened to the new forums? Whatever happened to logging in everyday and being greeted with amazing work from some of the best guys and girls in the community?

07:52 pm (11 years ago)
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Benji says:

Its time, Time for a Revolution.

Formerly Known As D4RKfantasy

07:53 pm (11 years ago)
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Look at that! :)

I got a PM, dont know if it was "pissed off", just that the forum isnt the place for criticising admins, PM's apparently are... *meh*

antimatter: well said!

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07:57 pm (11 years ago)
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Benji says:

I expect us all to get pm's like that, or atleast till the thread gets locked. I give it till saturday according to a reliable source

Formerly Known As D4RKfantasy

08:07 pm (11 years ago)
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Aero says:

Good for you xcal...let the facts speak for themselves.

I have an interesting PM from him as well...I don't think I'll share it, but he's obviously not the most reasonable person ever.

Is it crumbling down around you? Who can you blame but yourself?

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